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	<title>Comments on: The U.S. Health System: The Rest Of The Story</title>
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		<title>By: Maurice F Prout</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-31049</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice F Prout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current health care system of the United States is the most expensive in the world, even though not all Americans have health coverage. U.S. president Barack Obama stated that one of his main goals is to ensure medical coverage for every American, but it seems to be a controversial issue. I believe the debate over healthcare reform in the United States should also be analyzed from a behavioral approach, along with other parameters that are being taken into consideration. This subject was thoroughly studied by Dr. Maurice F. Prout (Psychologist). His website www.MauriceFProut.com is a very useful resource of articles and publications that help to complement the understanding on the democratic process and the paradoxical behavior analyses affecting decision making.
http://www.mauricefprout.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current health care system of the United States is the most expensive in the world, even though not all Americans have health coverage. U.S. president Barack Obama stated that one of his main goals is to ensure medical coverage for every American, but it seems to be a controversial issue. I believe the debate over healthcare reform in the United States should also be analyzed from a behavioral approach, along with other parameters that are being taken into consideration. This subject was thoroughly studied by Dr. Maurice F. Prout (Psychologist). His website <a href="http://www.MauriceFProut.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MauriceFProut.com</a> is a very useful resource of articles and publications that help to complement the understanding on the democratic process and the paradoxical behavior analyses affecting decision making.<br />
<a href="http://www.mauricefprout.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mauricefprout.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Health Care. (united health care, universal health care) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 Health Affairs Blog Posts For March</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-25130</link>
		<dc:creator>Health Care. (united health care, universal health care) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 Health Affairs Blog Posts For March</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The U.S. Health System: The Rest Of The Story by John Goodman [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The U.S. Health System: The Rest Of The Story by John Goodman [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Goodman</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-25086</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see a similar version of this at my blog:  http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/the-rest-of-the-story-2/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see a similar version of this at my blog:  <a href="http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/the-rest-of-the-story-2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/the-rest-of-the-story-2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Health Care BS - HOW &#8220;PROGRESSIVES&#8221; DEBATE</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-24975</link>
		<dc:creator>Health Care BS - HOW &#8220;PROGRESSIVES&#8221; DEBATE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to conduct the health care reform debate, read the responses to John Goodman&#8217;s post at Health Affairs about his well-researched discussion of the U.S. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to conduct the health care reform debate, read the responses to John Goodman&#8217;s post at Health Affairs about his well-researched discussion of the U.S. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don McCanne</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-24967</link>
		<dc:creator>Don McCanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;wd&quot; (DW Hogberg) criticizes me for failing to provide evidence supporting my challenges to the paper by John Goodman and his colleagues, but a blog is an inappropriate forum for answering a 20 page paper using &quot;as many as 100 references,&quot; especially when some of the references need to be challenged as well. 

Nevertheless, we have already provided an extensive criticism of a previous paper by John Goodman and Devon Herrick that took similar liberties in reaching spurious conclusions. That paper was &quot;Twenty Myths about Single-payer Health Insurance.&quot; (http://www.debate-central.org/topics/2002/book2.pdf) The response, written by John Geyman, was &quot;Myths and Memes about Single-Payer Health Insurance in the United States: A Rebuttal to Conservative Claims.&quot; (http://www.pnhp.org/facts/myths_memes.pdf). Repeating a similar critique of Goodman&#039;s current paper is not worth our time since we&#039;ve already made our point.

And ideologues? Yes, we support the ideology of egalitarianism - the view that everyone should have the health care that they need without having to face financial hardship. That is very different from the &quot;you&#039;re on your own&quot; ideology wherein you are expected to shop for health care with your own health savings account that you were never able to fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;wd&#8221; (DW Hogberg) criticizes me for failing to provide evidence supporting my challenges to the paper by John Goodman and his colleagues, but a blog is an inappropriate forum for answering a 20 page paper using &#8220;as many as 100 references,&#8221; especially when some of the references need to be challenged as well. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, we have already provided an extensive criticism of a previous paper by John Goodman and Devon Herrick that took similar liberties in reaching spurious conclusions. That paper was &#8220;Twenty Myths about Single-payer Health Insurance.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.debate-central.org/topics/2002/book2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.debate-central.org/topics/2002/book2.pdf</a>) The response, written by John Geyman, was &#8220;Myths and Memes about Single-Payer Health Insurance in the United States: A Rebuttal to Conservative Claims.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.pnhp.org/facts/myths_memes.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pnhp.org/facts/myths_memes.pdf</a>). Repeating a similar critique of Goodman&#8217;s current paper is not worth our time since we&#8217;ve already made our point.</p>
<p>And ideologues? Yes, we support the ideology of egalitarianism &#8211; the view that everyone should have the health care that they need without having to face financial hardship. That is very different from the &#8220;you&#8217;re on your own&#8221; ideology wherein you are expected to shop for health care with your own health savings account that you were never able to fund.</p>
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		<title>By: DW Hogberg</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-24964</link>
		<dc:creator>DW Hogberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit that I am impressed by Don McCanne&#039;s comment.

He attacks Goodman, Herrick, Gorman and Sade for using studies that are &quot;discredited as manipulations or distortions based on libertarian ideology, even though they are aware of the highly credible challenges to those reports.&quot;  However, he never bothers to cite a single example.  I didn&#039;t know that making an accusation without backing it up with evidence was a valid tehcnique of argumentation.

He suggests that Goodman et al. are inhuman by saying that their report is &quot;repulsive to those of us outraged by the...victims of a flawed financing system.&quot;  Apparently it never occurs to him that Goodman, et al. could be outraged by the same thing but see the causes of and solutions to the problem as very different.  There can be no intellectually honest disagreements.  Goodman, Herrick, Gorman, Sade and anyone who agrees with them are just &quot;ideologues.&quot;

It sure is a good thing that we have all those &quot;non-ideologues&quot; at McCanne&#039;s organization, Physicians for a National Health Plan, to enlighten us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit that I am impressed by Don McCanne&#8217;s comment.</p>
<p>He attacks Goodman, Herrick, Gorman and Sade for using studies that are &#8220;discredited as manipulations or distortions based on libertarian ideology, even though they are aware of the highly credible challenges to those reports.&#8221;  However, he never bothers to cite a single example.  I didn&#8217;t know that making an accusation without backing it up with evidence was a valid tehcnique of argumentation.</p>
<p>He suggests that Goodman et al. are inhuman by saying that their report is &#8220;repulsive to those of us outraged by the&#8230;victims of a flawed financing system.&#8221;  Apparently it never occurs to him that Goodman, et al. could be outraged by the same thing but see the causes of and solutions to the problem as very different.  There can be no intellectually honest disagreements.  Goodman, Herrick, Gorman, Sade and anyone who agrees with them are just &#8220;ideologues.&#8221;</p>
<p>It sure is a good thing that we have all those &#8220;non-ideologues&#8221; at McCanne&#8217;s organization, Physicians for a National Health Plan, to enlighten us.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian R Williams</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-24963</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian R Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other sectors of the U.S. economy (besides health care), businesses thrive when they cater to the needs of consumers by producing goods that improve the quality of life.  Many countries around the world have copied this American free-market system because it works.  Businesses compete with each other by producing better goods that are less expensive.  This creates multiple positive outcomes for consumers.  Among other things, this free-market system ensures that someone (an entrepreneur) is always trying to improve on the status quo, creating better solutions that cost less.  Furthermore, under this system, entrepreneurs are always trying to expand their reach to more people – not only to those who are wealthy, but also to the rest of us.  So as a middle-income American, I drive a car with air bags, cook instant popcorn in a microwave oven, watch a flat screen TV, send text messages on a cell phone, and eat fresh fruit in the middle of winter – all of which would have been prohibitively expensive just a few years ago.  Because entrepreneurs compete with each other based on the cost and quality of goods, we all have better cars, microwaves, TVs, cell phones and food, among other things.  

In his articles and studies, John Goodman explains how to draw on these same free-market forces to reduce the cost and improve the value of health care.  By creating a financing system that rewards doctors who compete on quality and price, we can improve the overall value and reduce the overall cost of health care in this country.  Goodman is also talking about creating and expanding markets that will bring affordable, quality health care to the low-income, chronically ill, the elderly, and other vulnerable populations – just like in other sectors of our economy.  This, it seems to me, is a health care solution that would succeed in the United States.  Entrepreneurs are ready to solve these problems, but in the health care sector of our economy, they are held back by burdensome government (and third-party insurance) payment schemes that actually pay them less when they create a better, more efficient way to deliver health care.  The system is perpetuating mediocrity, instead of encouraging innovation and problem-solving.  

I don’t mind if scholars want to study and examine the health care systems of Canada, France or Cuba – but I’m hesitant to copy an economic model to pay for health care from a country that never made a good car, TV, microwave or cell phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other sectors of the U.S. economy (besides health care), businesses thrive when they cater to the needs of consumers by producing goods that improve the quality of life.  Many countries around the world have copied this American free-market system because it works.  Businesses compete with each other by producing better goods that are less expensive.  This creates multiple positive outcomes for consumers.  Among other things, this free-market system ensures that someone (an entrepreneur) is always trying to improve on the status quo, creating better solutions that cost less.  Furthermore, under this system, entrepreneurs are always trying to expand their reach to more people – not only to those who are wealthy, but also to the rest of us.  So as a middle-income American, I drive a car with air bags, cook instant popcorn in a microwave oven, watch a flat screen TV, send text messages on a cell phone, and eat fresh fruit in the middle of winter – all of which would have been prohibitively expensive just a few years ago.  Because entrepreneurs compete with each other based on the cost and quality of goods, we all have better cars, microwaves, TVs, cell phones and food, among other things.  </p>
<p>In his articles and studies, John Goodman explains how to draw on these same free-market forces to reduce the cost and improve the value of health care.  By creating a financing system that rewards doctors who compete on quality and price, we can improve the overall value and reduce the overall cost of health care in this country.  Goodman is also talking about creating and expanding markets that will bring affordable, quality health care to the low-income, chronically ill, the elderly, and other vulnerable populations – just like in other sectors of our economy.  This, it seems to me, is a health care solution that would succeed in the United States.  Entrepreneurs are ready to solve these problems, but in the health care sector of our economy, they are held back by burdensome government (and third-party insurance) payment schemes that actually pay them less when they create a better, more efficient way to deliver health care.  The system is perpetuating mediocrity, instead of encouraging innovation and problem-solving.  </p>
<p>I don’t mind if scholars want to study and examine the health care systems of Canada, France or Cuba – but I’m hesitant to copy an economic model to pay for health care from a country that never made a good car, TV, microwave or cell phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Holt</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-24962</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s little point going through a blow by blow refutation of Goodman and his fellow hacks&#039; series of out of context citations and ridiculous assertations.

Instead let him answer the real question. If he were not (with his wife) making the better part of a million bucks a year running a propaganda mill funded by the HSA crowd, would he REALLY want to be a poor, uninsured sick patient in the US, or in one of those European hell holes where they don&#039;t ration treatment via job, education level or choice of parents and send the collections agent after you when it&#039;s done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s little point going through a blow by blow refutation of Goodman and his fellow hacks&#8217; series of out of context citations and ridiculous assertations.</p>
<p>Instead let him answer the real question. If he were not (with his wife) making the better part of a million bucks a year running a propaganda mill funded by the HSA crowd, would he REALLY want to be a poor, uninsured sick patient in the US, or in one of those European hell holes where they don&#8217;t ration treatment via job, education level or choice of parents and send the collections agent after you when it&#8217;s done?</p>
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		<title>By: PaulHsiehMD</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-24961</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulHsiehMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The free-market reforms discussed by Goodman and his colleagues deserve an appropriate hearing.  

History has shown the virtues of the free market in every other sector of the economy.  And our experience with partially free markets in health care also shows that people benefit tremendously when they are allowed to freely trade goods and services based on mutual self-interest -- as is their right.

As a practicing physician, I&#039;ve worked with many patients who use health savings accounts for their medical purchases and I&#039;ve found them all to be consistently knowledgeable consumers interested in gaining the maximum benefit for their health dollar.  I wish all my patients were like this.

America should not adopt the failed health systems of other countries.  And I&#039;m glad that people like Goodman, Gorman, Herrick, Sade, and Atlas are willing to make this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The free-market reforms discussed by Goodman and his colleagues deserve an appropriate hearing.  </p>
<p>History has shown the virtues of the free market in every other sector of the economy.  And our experience with partially free markets in health care also shows that people benefit tremendously when they are allowed to freely trade goods and services based on mutual self-interest &#8212; as is their right.</p>
<p>As a practicing physician, I&#8217;ve worked with many patients who use health savings accounts for their medical purchases and I&#8217;ve found them all to be consistently knowledgeable consumers interested in gaining the maximum benefit for their health dollar.  I wish all my patients were like this.</p>
<p>America should not adopt the failed health systems of other countries.  And I&#8217;m glad that people like Goodman, Gorman, Herrick, Sade, and Atlas are willing to make this point.</p>
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		<title>By: acavale</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/03/19/the-us-health-system-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-24959</link>
		<dc:creator>acavale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very eye-opening indeed. I wish there could be more open discussion of the ideas/observations mentioned in this paper. While, I cannot claim to be aware of all the facts cited, I can vouch for the effectiveness of price transparency in medical services. Even those who espouse a single payer system have to acknowledge that the ability to offer transparency of pricing for medical services outside of the third party payer system (private or government) offers the best chance to innovate and offer the best suited care to the population. In my own practice (and in those that have a cash-only practice) I have observed that those without coverage often get timely access to appropriate care as compared to those that have poorly reimbursed &quot;coverage&quot;. As Mr. Goodman rightly points out, cost figures can easily be lowered by transferring actual costs to the providers. This type of artificial price control will not help those that need medical care.

The only other aspect that did not find mention in this paper was how the lifestyle of the average American plays a part in higher health care utilization as compared to those in other developed countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very eye-opening indeed. I wish there could be more open discussion of the ideas/observations mentioned in this paper. While, I cannot claim to be aware of all the facts cited, I can vouch for the effectiveness of price transparency in medical services. Even those who espouse a single payer system have to acknowledge that the ability to offer transparency of pricing for medical services outside of the third party payer system (private or government) offers the best chance to innovate and offer the best suited care to the population. In my own practice (and in those that have a cash-only practice) I have observed that those without coverage often get timely access to appropriate care as compared to those that have poorly reimbursed &#8220;coverage&#8221;. As Mr. Goodman rightly points out, cost figures can easily be lowered by transferring actual costs to the providers. This type of artificial price control will not help those that need medical care.</p>
<p>The only other aspect that did not find mention in this paper was how the lifestyle of the average American plays a part in higher health care utilization as compared to those in other developed countries.</p>
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