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		<title>By: Of Science, Social Policy and the War on Drugs &#8212; Open Education</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/04/22/proganda-and-prejudice-distort-the-health-reform-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-32053</link>
		<dc:creator>Of Science, Social Policy and the War on Drugs &#8212; Open Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] get a sense, we turn to Merton Bernstein, Professor of Law Emeritus at Washington University, who had this to say about the former issue, stem cells, and the continued focal point of the Obama administration, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Claudia Chaufan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia Chaufan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jack,

With all due respect, it is good to be skeptical, but that does not mean being blind to the evidence -- rather the opposite. 

This journal has tons of articles examining international health care systems, all of which collectively finance health care, and show how this saves money so that those systems can guarantee at least a basic, often very generous, package of care, by applying two basic policy principles: 1) risk pooling 2) compulsory contributions adjusted to income. 

Risk pooling dramatically reduces administrative overhead, allows bulk purchases, and most importantly, allows cross-subsidizing. Without cross-subsidizing health care systems are doomed. Even private insurers know this principle well, although of course they apply it to their, not our, benefit (Alissa Fox, vice president of Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association, was quoted by the New York Times, on Thursday November 20, 2008, as saying that &quot;Insurance works best when everybody is in the pool”… “you need healthy people in the insurance pool to help pay for sicker individuals”…).

Compulsory contributions guarantee a continuing stream of money to finance the system, which is why in no other industrialized economy is a basic package of care left in the hands of  voluntary or liability insurance. 

As to what is politically feasible, to my knowledge it has never been what politicians are willing to do, but rather the cost on them of not doing what their constituents want. When people wake up to the fiscal horror of the dubious plans that are being cooked these days in D.C., maybe they will massively demand from their representatives a rational way to finance health care. 

Then we will have time, and reason, to think about electronic medical records, prevention, and changing payment schemes, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jack,</p>
<p>With all due respect, it is good to be skeptical, but that does not mean being blind to the evidence &#8212; rather the opposite. </p>
<p>This journal has tons of articles examining international health care systems, all of which collectively finance health care, and show how this saves money so that those systems can guarantee at least a basic, often very generous, package of care, by applying two basic policy principles: 1) risk pooling 2) compulsory contributions adjusted to income. </p>
<p>Risk pooling dramatically reduces administrative overhead, allows bulk purchases, and most importantly, allows cross-subsidizing. Without cross-subsidizing health care systems are doomed. Even private insurers know this principle well, although of course they apply it to their, not our, benefit (Alissa Fox, vice president of Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association, was quoted by the New York Times, on Thursday November 20, 2008, as saying that &#8220;Insurance works best when everybody is in the pool”… “you need healthy people in the insurance pool to help pay for sicker individuals”…).</p>
<p>Compulsory contributions guarantee a continuing stream of money to finance the system, which is why in no other industrialized economy is a basic package of care left in the hands of  voluntary or liability insurance. </p>
<p>As to what is politically feasible, to my knowledge it has never been what politicians are willing to do, but rather the cost on them of not doing what their constituents want. When people wake up to the fiscal horror of the dubious plans that are being cooked these days in D.C., maybe they will massively demand from their representatives a rational way to finance health care. </p>
<p>Then we will have time, and reason, to think about electronic medical records, prevention, and changing payment schemes, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Health Care. (united health care, universal health care) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Health Affairs Blog Top 10 Posts For April</title>
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		<dc:creator>Health Care. (united health care, universal health care) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Health Affairs Blog Top 10 Posts For April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 22:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Propaganda and Prejudice Distort The Health Reform Debate by Merton Bernstein [...]</description>
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		<title>By: lambert_strether</title>
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		<dc:creator>lambert_strether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 05:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, let me deal with Thomas Barber, who burbles &quot;We don’t have the resources to pay for a Medicare for everyone reform..&quot; Unfortunately, that ignores the evidence of the massive cost savings that Professor Bernstein documents (from McKinsey, among others). Rather than confront the evidence, Barber simply repeats his talking point.

As far as censorship, that is not too strong a word. The White House went so far as to censor a single payer question and answer from its live blog of one of its health care reform town halls. See:

http://www.correntewire.com/how_will_white_house_make_amends_censoring_single_payer_advocates_its_health_care_forum_live_blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, let me deal with Thomas Barber, who burbles &#8220;We don’t have the resources to pay for a Medicare for everyone reform..&#8221; Unfortunately, that ignores the evidence of the massive cost savings that Professor Bernstein documents (from McKinsey, among others). Rather than confront the evidence, Barber simply repeats his talking point.</p>
<p>As far as censorship, that is not too strong a word. The White House went so far as to censor a single payer question and answer from its live blog of one of its health care reform town halls. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.correntewire.com/how_will_white_house_make_amends_censoring_single_payer_advocates_its_health_care_forum_live_blog" rel="nofollow">http://www.correntewire.com/how_will_white_house_make_amends_censoring_single_payer_advocates_its_health_care_forum_live_blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lumbering &#187; Logging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lumbering &#187; Logging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 01:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Health Affairs BlogI see a large and lumbering federal bureaucracy administrating payment under the single-payer scenario. Is that really going to be more cost-efficient than a professionally-manged (even public) company? I&#8217;m skeptical. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Health Affairs BlogI see a large and lumbering federal bureaucracy administrating payment under the single-payer scenario. Is that really going to be more cost-efficient than a professionally-manged (even public) company? I&#8217;m skeptical. &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Proganda And Prejudice Distort The Health Reform Debate &#124; GADGET AIDS FOR SENIORS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Proganda And Prejudice Distort The Health Reform Debate &#124; GADGET AIDS FOR SENIORS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another decent blogger added an interesting post on Proganda And Prejudice Distort The Health Reform DebateHere&#8217;s a small excerptFurther, Medicare does not charge higher rates for pre-existing conditions or for elderly and female patients as private plans do, thereby encouraging employers to discriminate in employment. Moreover, with everyone covered for all &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another decent blogger added an interesting post on Proganda And Prejudice Distort The Health Reform DebateHere&#8217;s a small excerptFurther, Medicare does not charge higher rates for pre-existing conditions or for elderly and female patients as private plans do, thereby encouraging employers to discriminate in employment. Moreover, with everyone covered for all &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: acavale</title>
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		<dc:creator>acavale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that &quot;Medicare for all&quot; should have been one of the options on the table. However, I am confident that Medicare as currently administered, will neither be comprehensive enough nor be fiscally responsible to achieve any of the goals, i.e. adequate coverage and reduce costs. 

Anyone who has had to deal with Medicare can vouch that it is as cumbersome and difficult to get reimbursed by Medicare as it is with private payers, if not worse. And the myth that Medicare does anything less expensively (other than CEO salaries) is just that, a myth. Just to prove a point, until this month, Medicare did not even have an online enrollment option, meaning every application had to be submitted by snail mail (all 20 pages of it). And they still don&#039;t have any &quot;go-to&quot; representative in case there are questions or problems. So, unless Medicare can be quickly converted into a lean and efficient organization, I am afraid all the projections will undoubtedly fail. 

I am willing to accept any system that allows full cost transparency, reduces the cost/complexity  of practicing medicine, does not set arbitrary reimbursement rates (price-fixing), lets consumers (patients) decide what type of service is most valuable to them and does not interfere with the physician-patient relationship/interaction - the fact is that Medicare does not fit any of these criteria. And neither do the private payers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that &#8220;Medicare for all&#8221; should have been one of the options on the table. However, I am confident that Medicare as currently administered, will neither be comprehensive enough nor be fiscally responsible to achieve any of the goals, i.e. adequate coverage and reduce costs. </p>
<p>Anyone who has had to deal with Medicare can vouch that it is as cumbersome and difficult to get reimbursed by Medicare as it is with private payers, if not worse. And the myth that Medicare does anything less expensively (other than CEO salaries) is just that, a myth. Just to prove a point, until this month, Medicare did not even have an online enrollment option, meaning every application had to be submitted by snail mail (all 20 pages of it). And they still don&#8217;t have any &#8220;go-to&#8221; representative in case there are questions or problems. So, unless Medicare can be quickly converted into a lean and efficient organization, I am afraid all the projections will undoubtedly fail. </p>
<p>I am willing to accept any system that allows full cost transparency, reduces the cost/complexity  of practicing medicine, does not set arbitrary reimbursement rates (price-fixing), lets consumers (patients) decide what type of service is most valuable to them and does not interfere with the physician-patient relationship/interaction &#8211; the fact is that Medicare does not fit any of these criteria. And neither do the private payers.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Barber, define &quot;underpays.&quot; We physicians do pretty darn well, thank you. PCPs may be relatively underpaid, but don&#039;t expect the free market to fix that any time soon. When many procedure-based specialists make $400K to $1M, largely on Medicare (or ball park thereof) reimbursements, it is hard to make that case. And the costs in physicians&#039; billing and administrative overhead (pleading for coverage, etc.) are more a function of the wondereful free market with dozens and hundreds of insurers all making us jump through hoops (different hoops) to get our patients proper care or get our fees.

The employer based system is broken and should be thrown out. Who wants their insurance tied to their employment? What employer wants ( or is able) to pay our exhorbitant premiums?

If you read the article, we do indeed have the resources to do this.

And Mr. Shoemaker, &quot;Point taken, but it is not so clear that the single-payer approach will save us anything on this front. I see a large and lumbering federal bureaucracy administrating payment under the single-payer scenario.&quot;

Yes, if you do not look past the end of your nose, or past the edge of our waters, you will not know that his can, and is being done. Are there trade-offs? Sure, there always will be. But it is silly to just pretend this doesn&#039;t work elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Barber, define &#8220;underpays.&#8221; We physicians do pretty darn well, thank you. PCPs may be relatively underpaid, but don&#8217;t expect the free market to fix that any time soon. When many procedure-based specialists make $400K to $1M, largely on Medicare (or ball park thereof) reimbursements, it is hard to make that case. And the costs in physicians&#8217; billing and administrative overhead (pleading for coverage, etc.) are more a function of the wondereful free market with dozens and hundreds of insurers all making us jump through hoops (different hoops) to get our patients proper care or get our fees.</p>
<p>The employer based system is broken and should be thrown out. Who wants their insurance tied to their employment? What employer wants ( or is able) to pay our exhorbitant premiums?</p>
<p>If you read the article, we do indeed have the resources to do this.</p>
<p>And Mr. Shoemaker, &#8220;Point taken, but it is not so clear that the single-payer approach will save us anything on this front. I see a large and lumbering federal bureaucracy administrating payment under the single-payer scenario.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, if you do not look past the end of your nose, or past the edge of our waters, you will not know that his can, and is being done. Are there trade-offs? Sure, there always will be. But it is silly to just pretend this doesn&#8217;t work elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia Chaufan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia Chaufan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so very much, Professor Bernstein. We need more people like you courageous enough to speak up. 

Mr. Shoemaker, your skepticism will disappear the moment you begin to study health care systems elsewhere. They have problems of course, as any human enterprise does, but they are light years from ours. And their problems are no good argument for not adopting what Prof. Bernstein, and thousands of others, recommend. 

Mr. Barber, I recommend the paper &quot;Paying for National Health Insurance yet not getting it&quot;, in this journal (http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/21/4/88.pdf). It will clarify your doubts about whether America can afford decent health care for all. I  use it very productively with my students of comparative health care policy. They are barely out of high school yet get it right away.

This is really not rocket science. And most of the debate is pure obfuscation, confusing &quot;apples and oranges&quot; (i.e. financing with delivery or methods of payment issues) and health policy with its politics. So follow the money as Professor Bernstein recommends and you will find out why this country, unlike every other civilized industrialized nation, rations health care according to ability to pay, thus allows its people to go bankrupt, get sick or die for lack of access to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so very much, Professor Bernstein. We need more people like you courageous enough to speak up. </p>
<p>Mr. Shoemaker, your skepticism will disappear the moment you begin to study health care systems elsewhere. They have problems of course, as any human enterprise does, but they are light years from ours. And their problems are no good argument for not adopting what Prof. Bernstein, and thousands of others, recommend. </p>
<p>Mr. Barber, I recommend the paper &#8220;Paying for National Health Insurance yet not getting it&#8221;, in this journal (<a href="http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/21/4/88.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/21/4/88.pdf</a>). It will clarify your doubts about whether America can afford decent health care for all. I  use it very productively with my students of comparative health care policy. They are barely out of high school yet get it right away.</p>
<p>This is really not rocket science. And most of the debate is pure obfuscation, confusing &#8220;apples and oranges&#8221; (i.e. financing with delivery or methods of payment issues) and health policy with its politics. So follow the money as Professor Bernstein recommends and you will find out why this country, unlike every other civilized industrialized nation, rations health care according to ability to pay, thus allows its people to go bankrupt, get sick or die for lack of access to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Propaganda And Prejudice Distort The Health Reform Debate (and keep pushing single payer off the table) &#124; The Social Medicine Portal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Propaganda And Prejudice Distort The Health Reform Debate (and keep pushing single payer off the table) &#124; The Social Medicine Portal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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