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		<title>By: A Guide to Accountable Care Organizations, and Their Role in the Senate&#8217;s Health Reform Bill : HEALTH REFORM WATCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Guide to Accountable Care Organizations, and Their Role in the Senate&#8217;s Health Reform Bill : HEALTH REFORM WATCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 03:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] incorporates ACOs on a voluntary pilot program basis. You can read their rebuttal to Dr. Goldsmith here.  Section 3022 of the Senate bill &#8212; which amends Title XVIII of the Social Security Act (42 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] incorporates ACOs on a voluntary pilot program basis. You can read their rebuttal to Dr. Goldsmith here.  Section 3022 of the Senate bill &#8212; which amends Title XVIII of the Social Security Act (42 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Primary Care and Accountable Care &#8212; Two Essential Elements of Delivery-System Reform &#124; Health Care Reform 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Primary Care and Accountable Care &#8212; Two Essential Elements of Delivery-System Reform &#124; Health Care Reform 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] toward accountable care. Health Affairs Blog. August 20, 2009. (Accessed October 26, 2009, at http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/08/20/moving-from-volume-driven-medicine-toward-accountable-care.)  Download a PDF of this article Read this article at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] toward accountable care. Health Affairs Blog. August 20, 2009. (Accessed October 26, 2009, at <a href="http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/08/20/moving-from-volume-driven-medicine-toward-accountable-care" rel="nofollow">http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/08/20/moving-from-volume-driven-medicine-toward-accountable-care</a>.)  Download a PDF of this article Read this article at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mmchmbrs</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/08/20/moving-from-volume-driven-medicine-toward-accountable-care/comment-page-1/#comment-30906</link>
		<dc:creator>mmchmbrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When bonuse incentives are financially driven a conflict of interest is created.  Providers postpone necessary and often expensive diagnostics until AFTER bonuses are acheived.  This is the same as setting the wolf out to watch over the sheep.  Delays for whatever reason, compromise patient safety and allow illnesses to progress often past the point of return.  Bonus incentives should be based soley on patient outcomes and provider adherence to &quot;best practice&quot; and national standards of care.  
It&#039;s not that complicated.  If patients do poorly, no bonus.  If patient do well, providers get a bonus.  This will encourage concentrated patient teaching which will create patients that are compliant with treatment regimed.  It will increase quality of care as &quot;best practice&quot; is known to produce better outcomes.  This will also place some accountability for lifestyle change and behavior modification in the lap of the patient where it belongs.  Marolyn Chambers, BSN, RN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When bonuse incentives are financially driven a conflict of interest is created.  Providers postpone necessary and often expensive diagnostics until AFTER bonuses are acheived.  This is the same as setting the wolf out to watch over the sheep.  Delays for whatever reason, compromise patient safety and allow illnesses to progress often past the point of return.  Bonus incentives should be based soley on patient outcomes and provider adherence to &#8220;best practice&#8221; and national standards of care.<br />
It&#8217;s not that complicated.  If patients do poorly, no bonus.  If patient do well, providers get a bonus.  This will encourage concentrated patient teaching which will create patients that are compliant with treatment regimed.  It will increase quality of care as &#8220;best practice&#8221; is known to produce better outcomes.  This will also place some accountability for lifestyle change and behavior modification in the lap of the patient where it belongs.  Marolyn Chambers, BSN, RN</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/08/20/moving-from-volume-driven-medicine-toward-accountable-care/comment-page-1/#comment-30338</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who negotiates with physicians for a living, I find it humerous that folks who spend their days researching Canton Ohio and Roanoke VA from 40,000 feet in their ivory towers believe that an ACO will do anything but create massive chaos. In most markets, specialists have formed single specialty groups to create the critical mass to negotiate premium managed care contracts and  profit from their owned ancillaries.  For example, pulmonologists make far more money owning and running their sleep lab than practicing critical care medicine in a hospital. 
So lets get practical (for a change)
Who gets the ACO&#039;s GI procedures, the hospital or the physician-owned GI center?
What will the ACO do if the only general surgery group in town demands huge compensation to participate? (remember the physician shorage)
Contrary to some questionable conclusons from recent research most physicians are not hospital-centric -- few primary care physicians set foot in a hosptal any more, cardiologists prefer to refer their inpatients to hospitalists, OB/Gyns are asking hospitals to hire &quot;laborists&quot; to deliver their babies, even many neurosurgeons prefer  elective outpatient spine surgery  to brain surgery on inpatients....so we cannot threaten most physicians with yanking their hospital privileges. In fact many would welcome losing those privileges!  What will be the incentive for a physician to join an ACO-- remember medicare pays many physicians 20-40% less than the private payers. Why wouldnt these physicians just drop out of Medicare (they already dropped Medicaid) 

Thus far any threat to physicain income  imposed by the government has been countered by physicians adding new office-based services, raising their rates, DROPPING OUT OF MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, and demanding payment for ED call and medical diretorships from the hospital.

This is REALITY from my boots being on the ground negotiating face to face with physicians day in and day out - in 85 markets per year... if  Aaron McKethan  and  Mark McClellan believe that they can convince most physicians to join an ACO --then they are better negotiators than i -- and i would welcome them joining  my firm anytime --

n8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who negotiates with physicians for a living, I find it humerous that folks who spend their days researching Canton Ohio and Roanoke VA from 40,000 feet in their ivory towers believe that an ACO will do anything but create massive chaos. In most markets, specialists have formed single specialty groups to create the critical mass to negotiate premium managed care contracts and  profit from their owned ancillaries.  For example, pulmonologists make far more money owning and running their sleep lab than practicing critical care medicine in a hospital.<br />
So lets get practical (for a change)<br />
Who gets the ACO&#8217;s GI procedures, the hospital or the physician-owned GI center?<br />
What will the ACO do if the only general surgery group in town demands huge compensation to participate? (remember the physician shorage)<br />
Contrary to some questionable conclusons from recent research most physicians are not hospital-centric &#8212; few primary care physicians set foot in a hosptal any more, cardiologists prefer to refer their inpatients to hospitalists, OB/Gyns are asking hospitals to hire &#8220;laborists&#8221; to deliver their babies, even many neurosurgeons prefer  elective outpatient spine surgery  to brain surgery on inpatients&#8230;.so we cannot threaten most physicians with yanking their hospital privileges. In fact many would welcome losing those privileges!  What will be the incentive for a physician to join an ACO&#8211; remember medicare pays many physicians 20-40% less than the private payers. Why wouldnt these physicians just drop out of Medicare (they already dropped Medicaid) </p>
<p>Thus far any threat to physicain income  imposed by the government has been countered by physicians adding new office-based services, raising their rates, DROPPING OUT OF MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, and demanding payment for ED call and medical diretorships from the hospital.</p>
<p>This is REALITY from my boots being on the ground negotiating face to face with physicians day in and day out &#8211; in 85 markets per year&#8230; if  Aaron McKethan  and  Mark McClellan believe that they can convince most physicians to join an ACO &#8211;then they are better negotiators than i &#8212; and i would welcome them joining  my firm anytime &#8211;</p>
<p>n8</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Todd MHA, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Todd MHA, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acvale, you sentiment in the last paragraph is priceless! The higher the level of complication, the more we center around the formula and less around patient care. Formulas are for MHAs and MBAs to justify their raison d’être. 

My physicians&#039; raison d’être  is to care for patients and I know that they went to many years of grueling education, residency and fellowship and the critique of their peers to accept the responsibilities that accompany the privilege to care for me. I want to believe that every time they cut skin or prescribe a medication that could save me or risk my life I want them focused on me as a patient, not kowtowing to  some element of a formula to justify paying them for their service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acvale, you sentiment in the last paragraph is priceless! The higher the level of complication, the more we center around the formula and less around patient care. Formulas are for MHAs and MBAs to justify their raison d’être. </p>
<p>My physicians&#8217; raison d’être  is to care for patients and I know that they went to many years of grueling education, residency and fellowship and the critique of their peers to accept the responsibilities that accompany the privilege to care for me. I want to believe that every time they cut skin or prescribe a medication that could save me or risk my life I want them focused on me as a patient, not kowtowing to  some element of a formula to justify paying them for their service.</p>
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		<title>By: A Healthy Blog &#187; Weekend Heavy: Point-Counterpoint on Payment Reform and ACOs</title>
		<link>http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/08/20/moving-from-volume-driven-medicine-toward-accountable-care/comment-page-1/#comment-30124</link>
		<dc:creator>A Healthy Blog &#187; Weekend Heavy: Point-Counterpoint on Payment Reform and ACOs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Institution and Elliott Fisher and Jonathan Skinner of Dartmouth College. Their article, &#8220;Moving From Volume-Driven Medicine Toward Accountable Care,&#8221; addresses some of Goldsmith&#8217;s concerns, and points out the work being done now with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Institution and Elliott Fisher and Jonathan Skinner of Dartmouth College. Their article, &#8220;Moving From Volume-Driven Medicine Toward Accountable Care,&#8221; addresses some of Goldsmith&#8217;s concerns, and points out the work being done now with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Health Affairs Blog &#124; www.kotihost.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Health Affairs Blog &#124; www.kotihost.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: acavale</title>
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		<dc:creator>acavale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, it would have been very helpful if all this ACO jargon were actually in plain and simple language so that simple-minded physicians like myself and my patients could understand. 

Be that as it may, this new theory continues the misconception that somehow the only sources for high cost and poor outcomes in medicine is due to the faults of the &quot;providers&quot;. It will only take the authors a few minute to review the extensive research available that shows that patient-related factors play a more significant role in escalating costs and towards poor outcomes.

Nothing in the ACO model or any model that does not address this major problem will ever come close to the stated objectives. We know that chronic diseases are responsible for a big chunk of health care costs. Unless personal responsibility on the part of patients is stressed and incentivized/disincentivized, we cannot make headway into reducing costs or improving outcomes in chronic diseases.

Finally, a thought that I would like the authors to consider - why do you feel it is improper for physicians as professionals to expect fair reimbursement for legitimate services provided? Could you give me examples where other professionals are forced to do this? Do we pay our investment planners less because our portfolio lost 40% value since last year? Is a ball player&#039;s salary cut at the end of a season if his batting average is poor this year? Why is everybody so afraid to let the marketplace place an appropriate value to each physician&#039;s service? Why are we scared to ask our patients which service is of value to them? Why do government and ivory tower academics think they know what&#039;s good for the average patient/consumer?

Let&#039;s try simplicity for a change and see how it works. We can give you guys some sort of award for your dissertation, but just leave us docs and patients alone, so that we can decide what works best for each individual, rather than trying to figure out a complicated formula.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, it would have been very helpful if all this ACO jargon were actually in plain and simple language so that simple-minded physicians like myself and my patients could understand. </p>
<p>Be that as it may, this new theory continues the misconception that somehow the only sources for high cost and poor outcomes in medicine is due to the faults of the &#8220;providers&#8221;. It will only take the authors a few minute to review the extensive research available that shows that patient-related factors play a more significant role in escalating costs and towards poor outcomes.</p>
<p>Nothing in the ACO model or any model that does not address this major problem will ever come close to the stated objectives. We know that chronic diseases are responsible for a big chunk of health care costs. Unless personal responsibility on the part of patients is stressed and incentivized/disincentivized, we cannot make headway into reducing costs or improving outcomes in chronic diseases.</p>
<p>Finally, a thought that I would like the authors to consider &#8211; why do you feel it is improper for physicians as professionals to expect fair reimbursement for legitimate services provided? Could you give me examples where other professionals are forced to do this? Do we pay our investment planners less because our portfolio lost 40% value since last year? Is a ball player&#8217;s salary cut at the end of a season if his batting average is poor this year? Why is everybody so afraid to let the marketplace place an appropriate value to each physician&#8217;s service? Why are we scared to ask our patients which service is of value to them? Why do government and ivory tower academics think they know what&#8217;s good for the average patient/consumer?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try simplicity for a change and see how it works. We can give you guys some sort of award for your dissertation, but just leave us docs and patients alone, so that we can decide what works best for each individual, rather than trying to figure out a complicated formula.</p>
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		<title>By: Twitter Trackbacks for Health Affairs Blog [healthaffairs.org] on Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter Trackbacks for Health Affairs Blog [healthaffairs.org] on Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Health Care. (united health care, universal health care) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Accountable Care Organizations: The Good, the Bad and the Better Thanks to Health Affairs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Health Care. (united health care, universal health care) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Accountable Care Organizations: The Good, the Bad and the Better Thanks to Health Affairs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aaron McKethan and the famous Mark McClellan have a different take in separate post. [...]</description>
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